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Inground swimming pool, spa & landscape.
Established since 1968, Lido Pools has secured a reputation within the industry for quality construction, innovative concepts and creative designs. We have won many national awards and the vast majority of our clients are very satisfied, so much so that we are 95% referral. We have done no advertising for over 15 years and sell out to capacity every year. We deliver a value added quality product, stand behind it vehemently and relish an opportunity to correct any shortfall.
In 2000, the principals entered into an agreement of sale and licensed the “Lido” trade entity to a purchaser for a 2 year trial period. During this period Lido Pools was a registered trade name that was operated by that purchaser, “Lido Industries Inc.” after which time it was to be re-negotiated pending the new entities ability to maintain the integrity that Lido had build up since their inception. I was an employee under contract for the “hand over” period and could not provide direction usurping the new owners. September 2000 to February 2002 is the timeframe involved, which in essence included the 2001 building season. The principals of this new regime opted to expand at a rate greater than they had the ability to maintain and the result was there were some issues. When it had become evident that “Lido Industries Inc” had these issues, the “Lido” trade entity licence was relinquished, resulting in the new regime deciding to dissolve their corporation. No other entity other than “Lido Industries Inc” has owned or controlled the Lido building company before or since that specific time frame. For the past 47 years, this 17 month period was the only time that the founding family did not have control of the entity.
Most all of these issues were minor with a couple that were moderate. The dissolution design included provisions for all of the clients to retain approximately double the amount of funds required to complete any outstanding issues. There were also provisions prohibiting the “Lido” trade entity from contacting the clients of “Lido Industries Inc” directly so unless they came to us after the re-acquisition was established we hadn't the ability to look after them. An unfortunate excerpt in our history but a valuable lesson learned.
Regarding Joel of Thornhill, we have not had one account of contact from him since 2001 until he had posted the review in Nov 09’. The review had contained inaccurate and incomplete information that in our opinion was libelous. We had contacted him firstly to enlighten him to our finding and to extend the opportunity for an evaluation to explore the possibility that there was in fact a bona fide complaint. He was quick to rewrite his original review excluding certain comments and declined our offer of evaluation. Certain important facts that Joel had neglected to include in his review:
• This pool was built in spring 2001 & was at the time of the review posting almost 9 years old, a few years old as initially described Joel claims that he wrote this review “only after a few years”. A few years, nine years, there is a difference & it is misleading.
• Joel had neglected to note that he never paid approx $7,400 remaining on the contract according to our records. Perhaps this outstanding balance was part of the reasoning as to why there was no contact from him over the past 9 years.
• Joel is not a pool professional & has only gathered snippets of comments made by what I can assume are the people that have worked on it over the past 9 years. This pool is located on Arnold Ave & is well known for being a low lying area susceptible to water. We have built many others in this neighbourhood, notably 2 just across & down the street that have their whole backyards underwater during heavy rain falls.
• Joel notes how we didn’t anchor the spa. It’s a fiberglass shell with expanding foam on the bottom; there are no hooks to anchor to. Installation includes putting it on a base. It’s simple physics, if the hydrostatic (water) pressure beneath the spa exceeds the counter balance of water contained within the spa itself, it will float. The manufacturer’s winterizing instructions note to empty the spa. We have developed a technique for winterizing these spas that includes refilling them over a membrane after the pipes have been prepared to provide the necessary counter balance. It is common knowledge within the industry that concrete and fiberglass pools should never be left empty and this spa is the same. It is our opinion that whoever winterized his spa did not provide for this factor and that lead to the lifting, not improper installation. If it had water in it, it never would have lifted. Even a heavy rain can lift them if overall conditions are not favourable and the spa water level is lower than ideal.
• Chips of cement beneath the liner; it is common in high water table areas that the liners can float in early spring time when the pool water level is low and the ground water high. This can lead to tiny particles migrating and this may have been the case here. The remedy is to remove the liner, clean and reset, not puncture holes and silicone. I know the difference and I would never authorize a fix as that. There were over 30 employees of the company and sales occupied 95% of my time. If the serviceman or other had elected to do that, I find that hard to believe but not having firsthand knowledge of that cannot affirm or deny.
• As for burying a backwash pipe; there was a phalanx of 50’ + trees boarding the entire east side where the pipe was instructed to be run. The attempt to minimize trauma to the root system resulted in the pipes not being as deep as he would have liked. With the tree protection laws in place currently, this would not be allowed at all.
• As for the plumbing on the filtration in the cabana; I’ll give him that, it had been redone because it was not the best but he also had us squeeze it into an area that was too tight so that he could maintain his cabana floor-plan.
• As for his pool slope, it’s NSPI code, so nothing wrong there.
• As for the pool cleaner, they were $400, they work on degree of randomness & get most places. They don’t guarantee that they clean everywhere perfectly. Even the $2500 ones don’t claim 100% success, they do what they do & that’s it. If there was an issue with the cleaner itself, it would be under warranty directly from the manufacturer.
• As for the interlock patio, we weren't even contracted to do it. Joel contracted this out to another source. Besides, it’s common knowledge that settling can occur over time, as well this case certainly could have been compromised by the existing water table.
• As for the payment schedule, the deposit is 15%, always has been, not 30% as Joel claims. Our contract is completely in line with all of the major players & in fact allows for a hold-back in excess of some of the biggest companies.
In conclusion, we had never heard back from him so how would we know he had any problems. He had a money amount withheld that surpassed what he claimed he paid out. Some of his problems are a result of uncontrolled water and age of the pool. Certainly we’d like to see this pool operating properly despite the circumstances and elapsed time. All he had to do is place one call to me to apprise me of his concerns & be reasonable as to solutions. Instead, there is no trial, only a conviction. As for percentages, there are 40 reviews, 3 negative, 1 relating to service that is completely erroneous, another that we took the fall for a referred landscaper. As far as a new build this review is the only one relating directly to us and it isn't us as pre 2000 & post 2002, it was us specifically the year 2001 when we did not own or control the company, the only excerpt in our history of over 47 years that we did not. To evaluate in an accurate context negative response is not 17%, it’s 2.5%. The reality of it is here the same as with any contractor, there are people that deserve to post negative reviews that haven’t and others that should post positive reviews that have yet to. It’s a matter of motivation and awareness. All of our responses are organic, we don’t instruct, they do on their own decision.
Lazy River & Pool with complete landscaping
Established since 1968, Lido has accumulated over five decades of knowledge and expertise specializing in the design and development of the greatest proven innovations in construction methods and components this industry has to offer. Our unique structural design is superior in strength, tried and tested for longevity and backed by the exclusive "Pool Elite Warranty Program", the most comprehensive guarantee available in the industry.